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everybody hear me back there? All right, the Iowa state committee on lectures is very pleased to sponsor tonight's talk by Daniel Burstein. Mr. Burstein is a freelance writer who probably knows more about Cambodia and the plight of its people than any other American journalist. Two years ago Dan Burstein became the first American to visit Cambodia since the end of the American war there back in 1975. His invitation to visit came from Pol Pot Khmer Rouge government, which was overthrown last year when Vietnamese troops invaded Cambodia. Since that first trip Burstein has returned to the area several times, his latest trip took place in February of this year when he organized a team of American journalists to visit gorilla zones still controlled by the Khmer Rouge. Dan Burstein's articles have appeared in a variety of of American newspapers and on several networks, such papers as the New York Times the Washington Post and the Christian Science Monitor. He's also been editor of the call a Chicago based socialist newspaper. Now, following tonight's talk he'd be very happy to entertain questions from you and the audience. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Burstein.\r\n\r\n- [Daniel] Thank you. Good evening, I'm very happy to be here tonight and have a chance to talk with people at Iowa state, new body here? Good, I live in Chicago and in Chicago we've had a lot of publicity about the things that were done in Iowa over the last year, so to help raise money for Cambodian refugees, for humanitarian aid, for the Cambodian people through the Iowa shares program and others. And I understand that per capita Iowa has been among the top States in the country in raising money for that purpose. And I think that's a very commendable endeavor. And I think it's an indication of the concern that the people here obviously must have for the situation that's now transpiring in Indochina. So I appreciate being in this community of people and sharing with you tonight, some of my thoughts and some of my observations that I've had to had a chance to accumulate over the last couple of years of visiting Cambodia and trying to study at a very complex situation taking place there. I should say by the way, I'll probably use the terms Cambodia and Kampuchea interchangeably tonight. Kampuchea is the name that the Khmer people have given to their country. And I think the warring parties on all sides of the conflict use that term to describe their own country and it's becoming increasingly used in the Western press, although mainly you still see a Cambodia used so out of habit I'll probably go back and forth between the two. What I'd like to do, is speak for a while about some of the major issues that are involved, in the conflict now taking place in Kampuchea. And then like to show some videotape, it was made during my visit to the Khmer Rouge held areas in February. And then I would like to spend a good amount of time trying to answer your questions. Because of all the news stories that I've been involved in, of all the things I've covered, I've found the Cambodia crisis perhaps the most complicated, the most controversial, the most difficult to understand, especially from the perspective of America. And I think we should try to spend as much time as we can having some exchange back and forth and hearing questions and trying to delve more deeply into the issues that you would like to hear about tonight. I don't know how many of you have seen the movie Apocalypse Now. But if you saw it, you know, the dramatic turning point in the film comes when the protagonists in the movie go up river and pass from Vietnam into Cambodia. And of course the film is set theoretically during the American war that took place in Cambodia from 1970 to 1975. And it's a film that suggests as the boat goes up river, things darken and the climate gets more overgrown and the morality contradictions and the questions about power and political relationships and personal relationships seem to grow more and more complex. And there's a sense in this movie, that as you go up river into Cambodia, something very confusing and mysterious is taking place. That has been my experience traveling back and forth to Cambodia in the last a few years, try and trying to study from abroad, trying to talk to refugees who've come out of that experience, trying to talk to other journalists who have gone into the war zones and seeing the situation trying to talk to different people who've been in and around different sides of the conflict. It is an extremely complicated situation and I would caution against any simplistic analysis. And I will try to, as I say, share with you my views on the situation, which I hope will not, in speaking tonight I can only convey to you a small portion, of the relevant facts and information to really grasp and understanding of what is happening there. The gist of the Cambodia crisis as I see it, is that there is a nation of perhaps a seven or 8 million people at one time. Now maybe only six, whose very nationhood is at stake. The existence of a Kampuchean people, seems to be hanging very much in the balance at the present moment. There are people who have been through now 10 years of intensive war, first five years of an American war. Then three years of a very complicated situation in which the Pol Pot government in its attempt to carry out a very radical vision of the revolutionary society it saw building up, committed a tremendous excesses and crimes in the course of trying to do this and left a population significantly devastated both through actual, actually through killings as well as through internal contradictions that arose between the various factions and power groupings inside the country. Including very early on through that whole period of 1975 to 1978. A very shadowy and underground conflict that was being played out even at that time between Cambodian forces and Pro Vietnamese forces, who were fighting each other for power and for control of the state apparatus of the army and of the communist party structure, and much of this contradiction led to some of the in various ways to the massacres and to the tremendous bloodshed, that I think most people here have heard great deal about in our press here that took place from 1975 to 1978. Following that time, the Vietnamese government moved approximately 200,000 troops now into Cambodian territory and have succeeded in virtually occupying all the major cities of Cambodia, controlling most of its highways controlling most of its waterways and establishing in the capital city of Phnom Penh, a more or less by all accounts, a puppet regime had it fel by a fellow by the name of Hun Sen Ritti. And for the last two years, since this took place, Cambodia has continued to know nothing but war. The Pol Pot forces overthrown, went back to the jungle gorilla basis from which they had waged their war against the United States earlier and immediately dug in and began building a guerrilla resistance to the Vietnamese occupation and are continuing to do so. And other forces that are also involved in the guerrilla fighting. And the Vietnamese have repeatedly committed more and more troops to the area. And it still not succeeded in eradicating the resistance. In fact, in a very ironic twist of events, what we're seeing today is in many ways a repetition of the events that took place in the American war in Cambodia earlier. Cambodia has been called Vietnam's Vietnam, because much like the US government under Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, there is a sense that to eradicate this resistance, one must constantly send more and more troops, the troops don't meet with success, the troops suffer a heavy casualty rate and the conclusion drawn at home is send more troops and there's continuing escalation of the war going on. At the same time, the Vietnamese who were masters of fighting the guerrilla war against the United States and against the French before that and succeeded finally in liberating their entire country after a 30 year war in 1975, now are finding themselves militarily speaking, in much the same position in Cambodia that the United States found itself in Vietnam earlier. The Vietnamese who, whose main strength as warriors came in fighting the guerrilla battle, are now trying to fight positional warfare in Cambodia and it's the Khmer Rouge who were fighting a guerrilla war. So the Vietnamese find themselves in much the same way the United States did, bogged down with heavy armor, bogged down with tanks that can't pass during the muds and monsoons of the rainy season. They're relying on heavy aerial bombardment and air support. And of course, just as US found out in Indochina in the rainy season, you can't see through the cloud cover, to find the targets to drop the bombs. So the Vietnamese are finding themselves in the same position that US did, of able to control the strategic points, but unable to control the countryside in between. And in the countryside in between, a war continues to rage. So the Cambodian people have been through extremely hard times and it's my conviction based on what I've seen of the situation, that just as a Richard Nixon once vowed to fight to the last Cambodian, in Cambodia, I think the perception in Hanoi and in Moscow today is much the same, that Vietnam with a very intensive moral and material and political support from the Soviet Union, should to go ahead and fight to the last Cambodia if necessary. If that's what it takes to bring Cambodia under a Vietnamese control. I think this is at least my perception of what the meaning of events there are. This leaves, there are approximately 1 million Cambodians who've become refugees from this conflict. The official statistics show about 700,000 refugees in Thailand. And I believe those statistics to be a somewhat of an underestimation. The intensive crisis that people probably heard much about last year, where we were seeing on the news every night, these horrifying pictures, of children dying in mother's arms, of may shaded bodies of the most miserable kinds of conditions imaginable have been somewhat alleviated, by the international aid, that has been generated on behalf of Cambodia. But I would not by any means say that, that battle is over. I have seen reports in the press that indicate that there is no more starvation in Cambodia, to my knowledge, that is not true, there is still widespread starvation, not only in Cambodia but still going on in the refugee camps. The situation for the refugee's remains very tenuous. Inside Cambodia there, the situation is worse, on all sides. There is still no functioning economy in the Vietnamese controlled areas. And in the gorilla areas, the amount of aid that's coming in, is barely more than a trickle in terms of food and medicine. I visited one gorilla base of the Khmer Rouge where 90% of the people living there were suffering from malaria. And I think the situation in various parts of the Vietnamese controlled areas is equally bad. So what's happening here is that an entire people, with a very rich and a glorious history that goes back several thousand years, have find their very existence as a people and as a nation at stake. Prince Sihanouk, the very charismatic one-time leader of the Cambodian people, has written in his recent book that he thinks in very short order there will be no more Cambodia. It will be no more Cambodian people as such. So we face in looking at the situation, a tremendously frightening specter, from the humanitarian viewpoint. And I think this is the sentiment on which much of the money and funds have been raised to send aid to Cambodia and many doctors and nurses and humanitarian workers have all kinds have volunteered to go there. But we also have a political crisis of tremendous proportion it exists side-by-side, with the moral crisis and the humanitarian issues. Because in Cambodia, I think we will find a microcosm of the major political issues and contradictions that exist on a global scale. Earlier in the 1960s, in the 1970s, when the American war was going on in Indochina, many of the microcosm, many of the contradictions of the world at that time were reflected in the microcosm of that war. Today I think I changed international situation, is reflected in what's happening once again in that part of the world, because we now have a situation, where the United States is more less at this time, a relatively idle spectator, to the situation Indochina, it's playing a certain role and contradictory role in some ways. But given the course of events, the United States government is at this time a relatively idle spectator to the events there. And the moving force, the contradiction that's brought to bear there, would seem to me, is the thrust of a combined effort which is being spearheaded of course, by Vietnamese troops, but appears to be significantly, directed politically from the Soviet Union, a Soviet Vietnamese desire to create a sphere of influence in Indochina and perhaps throughout Southeast Asia, much as the United States attempted to do this and successfully did this 10 or 15 years ago. Here, we begin to look at global issues that are involved. The Khmer Rouge resistance is fond of pointing out. You might not like us very much. You might not like our government or the way we did things when we were in power, you might think we're a butchers or bloodthirsty devils or whatever you want to call us. But if you let the Vietnamese overrun us, if you let a Soviet Union make a Indochina a Soviet the sphere of influence, don't you realize, that the Thailand won't be able to hold out, don't you you realized that the Vietnamese army is far superior to the Thailand army. And once Cambodia is overrun, there's no buffer anymore between Vietnam and Thailand. And the argument goes, if the Soviet Vietnamese expansion is not checked, at Cambodia, ultimately the resistance of all the Southeast Asian countries known as the ASEAN group, will not be able to to stand up to this push. And Prince Sihanouk, when I talked with him, in January of 1979 right after the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, he said to me, there's a French proverb we have, that we use in Cambodia, comes from the French classic literature. And he says, the proverb goes, \"the more you eat the bigger your appetite gets\". And he says that after the Vietnamese are through swallowing up Cambodia, they will swallow up Thailand, and after they've swallowed up Thailand, they will swallow up Malaysia and he says, their appetite knows no bounds. Well, I don't know if that's a accurate scenario to predict, but certainly the possibility, of something along that order, is suggested by the play of events there. So we have in looking at to Cambodia, not only tremendous, moral and humanitarian issues to confront, but issues that fairly directly affect the peace and stability of the world we're living in and even the peace and stability of our own country. I think everybody is aware of the extent to which the world economy has become an economy of interdependence, particularly the Western countries share a tremendous amount of reliance upon each other and on a global developed economy. I think everybody's become aware over the years of the importance of oil, as an economic and political factor in the balance of power internationally. And I think that if you see, for example, Japan, Japan, of course is not especially fond of the Khmer Rouge government, Japan is a fairly well advanced very much pro capitalist government. They don't have a matching common with the socialists from Kampuchea, certainly from what was perceived to be the Khmer Rouge government. And yet today Japan stands very heavily and very forcefully behind the Khmer Rouge resistance and it's providing millions of dollars of aid, to the Khmer Rouge government and continues to extend diplomatic recognition to it, why? Because without oil, Japan's economy doesn't function and 90% of the oil that Japan gets, has to go right through the Straits of Malacca and right around the South China Sea and it's these strategic waterways that are directly threatened by continued a Soviet Vietnamese penetration of Indochina. So it becomes a very simple question to the Japanese leaders what side to take in this dispute. I'd like to briefly sketch out, something about the different forces at work here. Just so will be familiar in all, speaking somewhat of the same language in this discussion. And say something about each one. First of all, I'd like to talk about the indigenous Kampuchean forces that exist in this conflict. I've mentioned Mr. Hun Sen Ritthi Mr. Hun Sen Ritthi is the nominal head of the government in Phnom Penh. That is essentially a pro-Vietnamese the Vietnamese aligned government. It took power in January of 1979, following the invasion. And by a fairly wide consensus of of observers, has failed to develop any kind of significant indigenous power base inside the country. It exists primarily on the strength of the arm to firepower of the Vietnamese. It was said at one time, that there were perhaps only 20 people in the entire Hun Sen Ritthi central government in Phnom Penh. There were only 20 Cambodians who could be counted as part of this administrative structure. Recently, there've been several defections of key people from the Hun Sen Ritthi government who've even gone over to the other side to the Khmer Rouge or fled into Thailand as refugees. And furthermore it's rumored that Mr. Hun Sen Ritthi himself, is not a very powerful figure in all this and then in fact, a fellow by the name of Pen Sovan who was the head of the new, newly formed Cambodian communist party, who is had extensive training in Hanoi and as much seen much more as the Vietnamese man on the spot, is the real power behind the scenes. I am told, and I have not been on the Vietnamese and Hun Sen Ritthi controlled areas of Cambodia. But I'm told that in those areas, you will see, for example in a regional structure or in a village structure, they'll be 200 Vietnamese soldiers and one Hun Sen Ritthi government representative. And in most cases, the one representative will be acting as a translator for the Vietnamese soldiers, you'll be given a high title and a high post but in fact the work, only work he's doing is really translating for the Vietnamese conquering army. This is the, generally speaking this is one side of the conflict. The side, this referred to as the Khmer Rouge, which calls itself the government of democratic Kampuchea, was formerly headed by Pol Pot and it's, his name that's associated most frequently with this side. Although in December of last year, Pol Pot was removed as prime minister of this government and replaced by Mr.Khieu Samphan. In an effort I think, to appeal to the world which had been so critical of the Pol Pot regime and say, look we're acknowledging some of the error of our ways here and we're trying to show our recognition this fact by actually removing Pol Pot as the prime minister. The Khmer Rouge forces number perhaps, at the outside 50,000 troops that they're capable of putting in the field guerrilla troops. Which means that they're tremendously overpowered by the Vietnamese inside their own country. But as gorillas, they know the country better, they're able to fight in small units in fact, the areas that I saw, they were fighting primarily in a units of six or eight soldiers at a time, they were capable of fanning out throughout the whole country and from a defensive position, they're able to do inflict very heavy casualties and very heavy damage on the Vietnamese. They're able to blow up roads, bridges, they're able to strike even inside Phnom Penh and they have recently in fact they bombed the Soviet embassy inside Phnom Penh. So they're fairly mobile and fairly capable of continuing to inflict severe damage on the Vietnamese. I would say, however, that their ability to turn the tide and actually win a victory in the situation, is fairly remote. That would require, at the very least a tremendous consensus among Cambodians, that the Khmer Rouge force represented them or that they were willing to enter into some kind of united front situation with the Khmer Rouge. And I would say at this point that sentiment does not exist very broadly among Cambodian people in either in the refugee camps or inside the country. I would say the Khmer Rouge have a significant base of support, probably a much greater base of support in the Western press accounts generally give them credit for, but I would think that they would not be capable of significantly turning the tide in the battle until Cambodian people as a whole see them, or whatever new forest emerges with them as a part of it, as a banner of national unity under which they are prepared to unite and fight together. For example, there are other fighting groups, one of them is referred to as the Khmer Serei, which is also fighting the Vietnamese, but it's opposed to both the Vietnamese and the Khmer Rouge. The Khmer Serei number anywhere from 12 to 13 distinct factions of Khmer Serei groupings and each one has a slightly different political outlook. As far as I understand the most effective one is headed by a fellow by the name of Son Sen who was a former deputy prime minister in Sihanouk's government. And this one has put the most soldiers in the field and has done the most actual fighting against the Vietnamese. These Khmer Serei groups are based primarily along the Thailand Cambodia border. Son Sen has sometimes talked about having some kind of corelation with the Khmer Rouge. And I'm told that at this point, earlier in the fighting the So Sen troops were sometimes fighting with the Khmer Rouge troops, fighting over food fighting over supplies, fighting over territory. And I understand that has now stopped and they're no longer fighting each other but they haven't yet agreed to fight together in a coordinated way against the Vietnamese. And other Khmer Serei groups continued to fight both the Khmer Rouge and the Vietnamese. And then there was Prince Sihanouk, who is looked at by the outside world as the one force that can unite the Cambodian people, although I doubt he has that much popular support among Cambodians. He has a lot of support in the United States and in France and in Japan and in Southeast Asia but not very much support inside Cambodia which is where it really counts. He has gone back and forth between living in North Korea and living in China. He's in China at the moment, he's gone back and forth between being allied with the Khmer Rouge denouncing the Khmer Rouge, denouncing the Vietnamese. He has generally taken a nationalist position of opposing any acceptance of a Vietnamese dominated Cambodia. But I think it's fairly safe to say that, since he has no troops, since he has no force of his own, until such a time, as some kind of unity deal is worked out with the Khmer Rouge or with the Khmer Serei together, the Prince Sihanouk will not play much of a role in the actual political and military situation there. This is something about the indigenous forces that are involved in this conflict. The outside powers also have to be looked at. First and foremost Vietnam, why are 200,000 Vietnamese troops in Kampuchea? And why is a country which has been fighting a war of its own for 30 years, and finally had peace come in 1975? Why does it find it necessary to be engaged in another war? This is a very complicated question, if the representatives of the Vietnamese government were here to speak for themselves, I'm sure they would tell you that the reason they are doing this is because Pol Pot kept invading of and stealing away pieces of territory of Vietnam, because they couldn't stand to see what was happening to their brothers and sisters in Cambodia suffering under Pol Pot's terrible abuses and because Pol Pot was really a puppet of China and Vietnam could not have a puppet of China living on its border. This is the gist of the argument the Vietnamese make for why they've moved into Kampuchea. I don't think it's a, they may say that but I don't think that's a really the reason they've done this, after all if the problem was some border incursions by Pol Pot, then they could have moved their troops in and smashed Pol Pot and moved out, which they have not done in fact, they've continued to beef up their forces month after month sending more and more troops, committing heavier and heavier armaments. And I don't think the, they're concerned about their brothers and sisters in Cambodia proves to be true in light of the fact that very little has changed inside Cambodia in terms of if say Cambodian people were supposed to get any new freedoms or new economic benefits out of this situation, they certainly haven't. And in fact, the continued flow of refugees out of the Vietnamese areas and into Thailand, I think reflects the fact that even in the Vietnamese controlled areas to people if they have a chance would choose to escape rather than a stay and live in that situation. And the China question I think is more complicated, but I think there are two, the Vietnamese don't have much of an argument, because after all it was not Cambodia that invaded Vietnam it was Vietnam that invaded China and the kind of defense Vietnam invaded Cambodia, the kind of defense of the logic that is necessary to take a preemptory strike in order to keep something from happening, is fairly a thin and flimsy logic when it's not backed up by any hard evidence. I would say that Vietnam is a country of 50 million, or more people with a million and a half men under arms, with what's reputed to be the third strongest army in the world, with $10 billion of equipment left on the field by the United States military in 1975 and a tremendous influx of new military equipment from the Soviet Union, I would say it did not have much to fear from Pol Pot's 80,000 man army from the six or 7 million Cambodians. More likely, it seems to me, that the Vietnamese move into Cambodia, comes as a confluence of factors. There is a fairly good case to be made for a historic Vietnamese, tendency to dominate Indochina. Going back many years so there's quotes from old Vietnamese Kings in the 1830s, who's very famous King who talks about how much he hates the Cambodians and he thinks they should all be cut up with knives and put to death and this historic antagonism which exists on both sides, I should say. The Cambodians call the Vietnamese when you, when they speak in their own language about the Vietnamese, they call them Yuon, which means that basically savages and this kind of strong and strongly antagonistic national sentiment exists, on both sides of this border and on both sides of this conflict. But the Vietnamese have always been the strong power in the region the biggest country, the most developed economically, the most developed culturally, politically, when the French colonized Indochina, the way they colonized Cambodia and Laos was largely by first training, a civil service made up of Vietnamese and then moving Vietnamese administrators into Cambodia and Laos to control the situation. Cambodia has always been seen as the rural rice growing lands whereas Vietnam has been seen as more heavily industrialized and these kinds of contradictions exist, fostering a certain conception, even going back to the political program of the Vietnamese communists when they first founded their party in 1930, which called ultimately for building a federation of the Indochinese countries into one entity. And it's been argued by many scholars and by certainly very strongly by the Khmer Rouge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116813#t=0.0,1972.08"}]}]},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 2 - 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writings","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=27.884,30.634"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that argues that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=30.634,32.051"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"look after all Vietnam bore the brunt of the war,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=33.857,36.836"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more Vietnamese died than anybody else fighting the French","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=36.836,39.76"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the Americans,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=39.76,40.968"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vietnam always provided the backing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=40.968,43.163"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for the other liberation movements.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=43.163,45.06"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And now we've won our peace","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=45.06,46.67"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the Cambodians won't share with us the land","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=46.67,49.611"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the rice that we so badly need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=49.611,53.099"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And kind of based on this scenario could be 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countries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=59.185,63.935"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think, however, that this can't be seen apart","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814#t=64.871,68.034"},{"id":"https://iastate.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1150/collection_resources/43717/file/116814/transcript/29018/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"from a Soviet conception of this 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think of it in terms of its cost in human lives it succeeded in establishing a relatively thriving rice economy. And there is certainly a sensation that exists in the thinking of the Vietnamese leaders and is documented in various of their writings that argues that, look after all Vietnam bore the brunt of the war, more Vietnamese died than anybody else fighting the French and the Americans, Vietnam always provided the backing for the other liberation movements. And now we've won our peace and the Cambodians won't share with us the land and the rice that we so badly need. And kind of based on this scenario could be spun that could justify moving militarily into domination of the neighboring Indochinese countries. I think, however, that this can't be seen apart from a Soviet conception of this situation. I think the Soviet Union recognizes very much that in looking at Southeast Asia they're looking at a power vacuum being created, this very heavy military and political commitment to the United States that once made to this part of the world, is rapidly being eroded. And the Soviet Union recognizes in this situation, a chance to move in where the Americans have moved out. And it's very strategic to Soviet interests, not only because Indochina looks out on the waterways that link the Persian Gulf with Japan, but Indochina also borders China, and as everyone knows the Soviet Union and China certainly have their share of hostilities and the Russians have three quarters of a million troops on the Chinese Northern border. And now there is, by creating a stable Soviet influence Indochina, there's a possibility of also creating a threat on China Southern border and in this way encircling Soviet Union's Chinese rival. I think that there is a tremendous amount of complicity here in between the Soviet leadership and the Vietnamese leadership in carrying out the invasion of Cambodia. In fact, there's hundreds of Soviet military advisers now in the field in Cambodia with the Vietnamese troops. The Vietnamese are using the advanced T-54 tanks that Soviet Union has provided them with for this purpose, the aerial reconnaissance that's being flown, in some cases even being flown by Soviet pilots, although in most cases being flown by Vietnamese pilots, and during the early days of the invasion, the key to forcing the Pol Pot government to withdraw very rapidly from the major urban concentrations was saturation bombing by big bombers, they were in many cases flown by Soviet pilots. So the Soviet Union has had a very direct role in all of this as well as an indirect one. And recently Soviet soldiers have actually been killed on the battlefield inside Cambodia, I should add. I think it is very much, in the Soviet conception of the world, much as it was in the American conception of the world earlier, that the way to achieve a Pax Sovietica or a system of global Soviet influence and control, is to create regional pockets, and in each one, have a proxy force that runs the show in that area. And in Southeast Asia certainly, the conception that the Soviet Union would have is that Vietnam can play that role. Perhaps Cuba can play that role in Latin America or in parts of Africa, and so on. This is a way of keeping naked Soviet aggression and interference from having to take place, and developing a system of doing it through proxy forces much as Nixon tried to turn the war in Indochina earlier into a more of an Asian war by getting Korean and Thai troops to do much of the fighting in Vietnam. We need to look at some of the other forces involved in this conflict. We need to look at China's role. China is very concerned about this situation. They're concerned about Vietnamese dominated Indochina. In February of 1979 the Chinese invaded Vietnam, crossed the border and fought for three weeks in Northern Vietnam and a very destructive war took place there, which the Chinese argued was a punishment for Vietnam's continued incursions across the Chinese border. And in principle also obviously punishment for Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia. The Chinese seem to be saying, we will not tolerate a Soviet Vietnamese sphere of influence on our Southern border. And if you continue on this road, we're gonna be forced to resort to a military response. So this conflict that definitely exists. I think the Chinese would rather not carry out another military strike into Vietnam. However, there are options in keeping themselves from having to do that are fairly limited. The main option they're employing right now, is to continue fairly heavy backing for the Khmer Rouge as well as the other guerillas that are willing to fight the Vietnamese inside Cambodia. With the view being that by tying the Vietnamese now in Cambodia, they'll be ultimately weakening them and creating a situation of attrition, where ultimately the better part of Valor on the Vietnamese part will have to be to withdraw from the conflict. At the same time, China is very much encouraging forces internationally to draw the line at Cambodia in Indochina and to draw the line at Afghanistan in the middle East and the Chinese argue at every international forum and in every meeting with foreign leaders, that there is a problem here of global Soviet expansion, that if you let Soviet Union or Soviet proxy forces move into different parts of the world unchecked, eventually the balance of power will shift in alterably in the Soviet direction. And when that happens, the logical conclusion of that argument would be that we'll see another world war. So the Chinese argued very forcefully that if you don't stop the Russians and the Vietnamese from expanding in this way, you're gonna pay the price later on. And they argue with all the power they have, that everyone should join in a concerted campaign to support the Cambodian resistance and to tie the Vietnamese down in Cambodia. Thailand is a very important factor in all this. In June, Vietnamese forces pushed into Thailand. They pushed through the Cambodian frontier and on into Thailand. And there were several days of fighting that took place in the border areas. Vietnam and it's a press reports, again, sounds a little like the old days of Nixon. Vietnamese talk about how there's a Cambodian guerilla sanctuaries inside Thailand. And this is why the Vietnamese have to cross the border and fight in Thailand. Of course, this was the argument that Nixon used as to why Americans had to invade Cambodia in 1970 was because they were supposedly Vietnamese guerilla sanctuaries inside Cambodia. Thailand is very worried. The main issue in Thai politics, and from my time I spent in Thailand I can tell you that Thai politics are very complicated. But the main issue is how to respond to what is now become their Vietnamese neighbor. Now that Vietnam has pushed across the Cambodian territory. And I would say most political factions in Thailand are United on an approach of doing what they can to help the Kampuchean resistance, in the hopes that this will maintain a buffer between Thailand and Vietnam. And that means extending fairly heavy aid to the refugees in the camps, and also means at least turning a blind eye to military supplies and products passing through Thai territory to the resistance. I would say this is, generally speaking to thinking of all the ASEAN countries, although each Southeast Asian country has different bent on it, and some lean a little more to the Vietnamese, but all have collectively taken positions at every, of their everyone of their foreign ministers meetings and their summit meetings, and collectively at the UN, insisting that the Vietnamese withdraw entirely from Cambodia. And finally I should say something about the American role in all this. There is an American role. The United States certainly is extending some military aid to Thailand, not anywhere near enough to satisfy the ties, but a very significant amount in fact, by any objective standard. The United States has taken the position at the United Nations that it will continue to support the seating of the Pol Pot democratic Kampuchea government. Although it does not recognize that government. It has taken the position that to de recognize it or to allow the seat to remain vacant, would be to encourage the Vietnamese aggressive activity. And it, most of the world opinion reflected at the United Nations has concurred with that opinion in all the votes that have been taken. And the United States has not disavowed that position although there has been intense pressure from inside the state department and from other circles in this country calling on the United States to support a position of no seat for Cambodia at the UN or to recognize the Hanks Henry regime. But basically I would say US policy is characterized by confusion and a lack of coherent response to how to deal with this very troubled situation. And it's made the more complicated by the fact that most Americans and most Americans in politics and in the military, have a pretty bad taste in their mouth left from the Vietnam conflict, all those issues and contradictions have not been sorted out. There's a tremendous fear and, resistance to acting in any kind of a bold way in that part of the world again. And at the same time no new policy to deal with the situation has been evolved. So I would say the US remains very much suffering from confusion and inaction on the situation. I would venture to say that it's going to become an increasing question of US foreign policy because the situation there is only going to get hotter and hotter, and it's going to force Americans and American leaders to make some decision about how they're going to play their cards there. I'd like to say just by way of wrapping up this talk. And then I want to show you some of the film and give you a little more of a feel for what it's like to be inside Cambodia. That I think there's several possible scenarios for what could happen. And I'll outline them to you, and you can give them some thought. I think one possibility is that the Vietnamese could as they continue to suffer casualties, as their war grows unpopular at home, and as Vietnamese people start to wonder why their sons and daughters are being sent off to fight in Cambodia, and as other of the contradictions internal to the Vietnamese society heat up, as the Soviet Union becomes unable to come through on all the aid its promised to Vietnam because it's also being forced to make such substantial aid commitments to Afghanistan and elsewhere. As all these factors heat up, there could be some sentiment on the part of at least a section of the Vietnamese leadership. to try to extricate itself from the situation, and to try to negotiate some kind of peace in Cambodia and accept some coalition government of the various Cambodian forces, and to allow a neutral Cambodia to exist. I think that would be very positive if that happened. I think that's not very likely to happen. I think it's clear when the Vietnamese committed themselves to this road, at least the leaders knew exactly what they were doing, exactly what the casualties would be, exactly what the cost would be to carry out such a campaign, and for whatever their reasons they believed it was necessary and should be continued. And certainly the Soviet Union which doesn't have to suffer hardly any casualties to carry out this conflict, certainly sees it that way. In that sense, I would see the great danger of a different kind of scenario of the one Prince Sihanouk outlined to me, I think holding a much greater possibility. Of the Vietnamese military machine over a period of time really gaining the upper hand in the region and being able to extend its influence throughout most of South East Asia. Whether or not that happens depends a lot on whether or not the Cambodian resistance forces get themselves together. If they can unite and form stronger opposition front and they've yet been able to do, that may not be what happens. If a public opinion internationally takes a stronger stand than it has yet to oppose these kinds of invasions and aggressions, that may be another kind of check and balance that keeps that kind of expansionism from taking place. But those factors are very much up in the air, that very much remains to be seen. So I think any one of those scenarios are possible. And I think in the present situation, what is most likely, is that we'll see at least for the next six months or so, a pretty much status quo to guerrilla resistance will continue, the Vietnamese will continue to throw more and more into the war effort. Hunger, misery, disease, starvation will continue on all sides. And I think it's going to take a significant changing of the constellation of forces on one side or the other or significant change of mind or heart on one side or the other for the situation to be actually materially altered one way or other. So I would like to stop there. I'm going to run the videotape. Let me say a few words about it before I show up. First of all, I apologize for the quality of it. Videotape doesn't seem to do very well when it gets blown up to a screen proportion. Well, I think that the people I've talked to who've been in Cambodia on the Vietnamese controlled side, report that whatever that there is some stabilization of the situation. There are more people living in Phnom Penh now than there were before. There's been some re population of some of the other urban centers. But that the as to putting together an economy or something like that, that really the situation has not hardly changed at all. That there's no school system functioning even to the level that there was one before, that the freedom of religion that was supposed to be promised by the coming about of the Vietnamese invasion has not really taken place. There is the Buddhists playing no role in the government or in the social structure. And I've talked to quite a few people who are not necessarily antagonistic to the Vietnamese. Who've been with them. Who've seen the situation fairly close to the ground not only in Phnom Penh, but in other areas, and report that the situation overall is fairly static, and that except for the people who've been brought into the administrative apparatus, to the extent that one exists at the local level, everyone else is more or less left on their own if they can farm, fine and they can eat. If they can't farm, there's no way of getting seed rice or a way of getting equipment or anything like that. And I think the main indicator of that is the continued outflow of the refugees. So I wouldn't say that, nothing positive has happened or that no changes have taken place. I think certainly there has been in the Vietnamese, brought a great deal of a technical expertise and they now have working with them advisors from a number of other countries and so on, and I'm sure that something is being done. But the picture I get is not quite as positive as the one you would suggest and in fact, people are talking about in many places especially outside of Phnom Penh, the situation having remained unchanged or worsened in terms of food rations. Yeah. Well, Vietnam was reunified in 1976. The Northern and Southern half were brought together. It's a very interesting question. I recently talked with a fellow by the name of Trương Như Tảng and he's a South Vietnamese figure who was very high ranking person in the South Vietnamese revolutionary situation. He was the minister of justice in the provisional revolutionary government, which was the government that was the shadow government, was fighting the Americans in South Vietnam during the war. He was one of the founders of the National Liberation Front in South Vietnam in 1960. And he last year, escaped from Vietnam. He became a boat person and escaped to a refugee camp in Indonesia, subsequently came to France. And I spoke with him this summer in France, and I spent quite a bit of time listening to his story and listening to what he had to say about what happened in South Vietnam. And he felt very strongly that South Vietnam had been forcibly reunified with the North, that at the time the war came to an end he felt there was a popular sentiment to want to reunify with the North, to have one country. But that they had been promised that it was gonna be a 10 year process of slow, bringing together the two halves and of slow changing of the ways on both accounts. And instead it was suddenly, and without much expectation called as a question in 1976 and it was no real opportunity to debate or discuss it and it was simply accomplished. He felt that the product of that, was the Northern leadership pretty much dominating the political structure almost entirely. He said that of the 24 members of the provisional revolutionary government who signed the Paris Peace Accords in 1973 I believe, from on behalf of South Vietnamese revolutionary forces, 18 of them today are fundamentally opposed to the course that the government is taking. And six have been given some kind of token position, or in one or two cases a significant position in the new reunified structure. So at least from this one source, he painted a pretty comprehensive picture of North Vietnamese domination of the South, and said not so much blanket North Vietnamese domination of South but that there was, he really pinned it to the political power grouping that's in power right now as having been part of a concerted strategy to develop the situation. I've also talked with a number of South Vietnamese soldiers, who've sought refugee status in Thailand. They've re defected from their units inside Cambodia, and sought refugee status in Thailand. And many of them talk about, in fact one guy I talked to in particular, he said to me, it's just like the American black soldiers had it during the American war. The South Vietnamese are treated in the Vietnamese army the way the blacks were treated in the American army when you all were fighting over here. And he made that comparison. And he said that basically the South Vietnamese soldiers in the army are the ones who are put on the front lines and are given the most dangerous combat duty, and it's mainly the officer Corps is mainly from the North and so on. So that's one side of the story. The other side is they have reunified the country. I would sense that there's a lot of opposition but there's no organized existing opposition calling to change that or dismantle that or reform it in any way. And I would imagine that for many people in Vietnam the question is not so much unity with the North or not as it is what kind of life are they gonna have in the future, and if they're gonna get a better life by being United with the northerners, that's fine with them but they don't see the results yet. Yeah. I would say that it just the question I don't know if people heard it was, whether I favored a Western military aid to the Khmer Rouge or other forces in the area. I don't think they need that. And I would be very hesitant to call for United States playing that kind of a direct inactive role. I think it's better for the US to have... I would like to see the US take a stronger political stance of opposing Vietnamese control of the area. But I don't think that has to be backed up necessarily by supplying guns. As far as I understand, the Khmer Rouge are able to get the weapons that they need from China and on the black market in Thailand, and from capturing the enemies weapons. What they really need and aren't getting is food and medicine and so on. That's just trickling in and it's very hard to get in. And I think the US could play a much better role in providing food and medicine than in providing arms. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- Yes. You made it sound a realistic idea that I got was in Vietnam, Vietnam should liberate themselves and US more that your communist party is set up the government in Vietnam now and not\r\n\r\n- Well, first of all I think the whole Vietnam experience is a very complicated one that will take years of hindsight before Americans as a whole really get a good handle on understanding what happened there and what happened to us in the course of that experience. But I think the Vietnamese people as a whole very much wanted to be masters of their own country and wanted to get French interests and American interests out of there. But I think they were betrayed in doing that. And I think they were betrayed by the leaders of those communist parties, that ended up just re institutionalizing the same kind of dictatorship and selling their country out to Soviet interests instead of American interests. And I think that's the real tragedy of the situation, that among the majority of people, there was a desire to even lay down their lives to fight for freedom, and then no freedom was forthcoming. Yeah.\r\n\r\n- That same situation\r\n\r\n- Well I think, I don't see much possibility of the Khmer Rouge coming back to power. I think any change in this situation is gonna require a pretty, they won't be able to do it on their own. They're gonna have to hook up with a lot of the other forces and there's gonna have to be a lot of give and take politically over what, should they be victorious? What kind of political structure to implement. So, that's a possibility, but I think it's also offset by the fact that to be victorious they would need a broader national scope to their political program. Yeah. I think it depends very heavily on where in Cambodia you talk to someone. Unfortunately there aren't very many Cambodians on the street. The life is not a normal life of a country and people have been forced to choose sides and forced to take stance. In the areas that the film is from, those people there's no doubt they support the Khmer Rouge completely, and they sense that there's not going to be a salvation of their country and their people until the Vietnamese are kicked out. But that's a minority of people. Those are the ones who've chosen to make the commitment to live in that kind of situation and to fight. Inside the Vietnamese controlled areas, people who have remained there and having fled, I would think have a lot of sympathy for the Vietnamese and feel that no matter how bad the situation is at least it's better than Pol Pot. But I would think that two is not a majority of the population. That's also a minority. And in between, in the countryside, in the disputed areas, I think there's a tremendous sensation of, I would say the average Cambodian would like to see the Vietnamese out of the country. And would like to see a Cambodian Cambodia. But as to how to achieve that and how to, what political program to implement, what side to support. I think a lot of Cambodians are pretty confused about that too. Yep. When was this? I don't, I'm sorry. I don't think I follow what you're saying. You're saying that the. Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, no I think some of that was going on obviously, it's very hard when you have starvation. To convince people not to eat seed rice, but to plant it instead, it's nice philosophical choice to make but when you're starving, it's very easy. It's a lot easier to eat the seed rice, but I don't think that's the main reason crops aren't being planted. In fact the areas I visited the crops were being planted, and I think what's happening on the Cambodia Thailand border is that it's a very sensitive political hotspot. And the Vietnamese are attempting to dictate terms to the international relief agencies as to how and under what conditions aid may be distributed. And they're using their control at the border stations where they do control them as a political lever in trying to exact concessions from the relief agencies as to how they're gonna go about distributing food, because obviously the Vietnamese would like them to distribute it in a way which doesn't allow any food to get to the Pol Pot people and allows all of it to get to the hang center inside. And I think the international agencies have gone back and forth on trying to figure out what is the most effective response to this kind of situation. So as a result the border gets open, the border gets closed, it's on. Yep.\r\n\r\n- Okay, I got a couple of questions actually. The first one I'd like to ask is, okay when the United States Cambodia, it had to go a long way, do you know if and was there\r\n\r\n- Well at the risk of making people cynical which is about the last thing I would want to do. There's been a lot of problems with the aid program as I understand it and I spent a lot of time in Thailand talking with aid officials. And one thing that's just kind of shocking, is the amount of dollars that are raised for the aid programs and the percentage of those that go to overhead and bureaucracy and shipping, and the small percentage that goes to actually purchase the food stuffs and medical supplies that are actually being delivered to the people. But certainly that's a very unfortunate situation. And not only that there's a lot of scandal and corruption involved and I think this week, six people were indicted on a variety of charges, including, you know taking bribes and showing favoritism for what food companies on behalf of the US government they were gonna buy food from for this project, which is just, you know what I mean? You picture these starving Cambodian people and Americans out of the goodness of their hearts trying to do something to save these people, and you picture this kind of corruption getting in the middle of it and it's just a frightening thought. But, the food program so far I would say has been a success. The relative wellbeing of 700,000-1,000,000 Cambodian refugees in Thailand, is a direct result of the fact that people all over the world and governments around the world responded to this crisis and provided money and shipped food, and it did get there whether, you know a significant measure of it didn't get there, and was used for corrupt purposes and so on. But what did get there is responsible for the salvation of at least a million people in the refugee camps, and many more on the interior of the country. There was quite a few problems with spoilage. There was quite a few problems with sending food that was not in the local diet for the people. Corn that people didn't know how to cook, milk that people didn't drink, and, you know these kinds of things. But, I think it's necessary to take note of that but I would not use that to draw the conclusion that therefore people shouldn't raise money or shouldn't try to support the aid programs. 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